The Genius of Darwin

[sort_it_oot_man]

The devil is just 'someone' that the 'men' who wrote the bible didn't like very much.

'Evil'; is within man (and some women) - as is 'Good'; the inner struggle between the two is something that hopefully, we each learn to control with age and maturity.

The other oft' repeated lie, is of heaven. The wonderland, the prize!

Folks. Wake up and smell the roses.

This is heaven and Nature is the only true God (with the possible exception of the Sun).

AM I WRONG?

[800jimbo]

Originally Posted by sort_it_oot_man

The devil is just 'someone' that the 'men' who wrote the bible didn't like very much.

'Evil'; is within man (and some women) - as is 'Good'; the inner struggle between the two is something that hopefully, we each learn to control with age and maturity.

The other oft' repeated lie, is of heaven. The wonderland, the prize!

Folks. Wake up and smell the roses.

This is heaven and Nature is the only true God (with the possible exception of the Sun).

AM I WRONG?

I'm not sure I believe in the concept of 'evil'

[sort_it_oot_man]

Mind and stay tuned till the end 'cause that's kind of the point.

[sort_it_oot_man]

Originally Posted by 800jimbo

I'm not sure I believe in the concept of 'evil'

I'm with Bill Bailey on this one.

[Wiz]

Originally Posted by F0ul

Mao was an Athiest - he killed loads - as was Stalin and Hitler - Between them, you are looking at 100 Million or so?

It wasn't religion that killed them but various flavours of socialism - which is possibly worse!

Actually, Hitler definately wasn't an athiest and it's very likely the others weren't either.

Let's start with Hitler because he's the easiest. In Mein Kampf and later in a speech at the Reichstag he said,

Originally Posted by From Mein Kampf

"... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." .... "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

So Hitler was most definately a Roman Catholic. What's more, he was also a creationist

..."Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."

Apart from which, it's quite easy to make a very strong case that, if not for Christianity and its hatred of the Jews up until the middle of the Twentieth Century, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened.

Stalin was born to influential Catholic parents Vissarion "Beso" Dzhugashvili and Ekaterina "Keke" Geladze. He was accepted into the Catholic Cappuchin run school at Gori. He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the "Orthodox" Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest.

So, whilst we don't have any writing by him to express his inner thoughts as we do with Hitler, in his behaviour at least, he was not an atheist.

Mao is much tougher, although he did write some poems which refer to God, heaven and souls, so he can no more be claimed to be an atheist than he can a devout believer.

As far as I know, there hasn't been many (any?) persecutions of religious people by atheists, but there has certainly been many people persecuted because of differences of religion. Think Spanish inquisition, the holocaust, 9/11, Southern/Northern Ireland etc. Such things have given birth the slogans like this one:

[sort_it_oot_man]

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[advancing age]

Mind you - when is some 'genius' going to correct the spelling on the title to this thread....??! AA

[John_R]

Originally Posted by advancing age

Mind you - when is some 'genius' going to correct the spelling on the title to this thread....??! AA

Is it spelled incorrectly...?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/G...ecks_42532.htm

[F0ul]

Originally Posted by Wiz

Actually, Hitler definately wasn't an athiest and it's very likely the others weren't either.

Let's start with Hitler because he's the easiest. In Mein Kampf and later in a speech at the Reichstag he said,

So Hitler was most definately a Roman Catholic. What's more, he was also a creationist

Apart from which, it's quite easy to make a very strong case that, if not for Christianity and its hatred of the Jews up until the middle of the Twentieth Century, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened.

Stalin was born to influential Catholic parents Vissarion "Beso" Dzhugashvili and Ekaterina "Keke" Geladze. He was accepted into the Catholic Cappuchin run school at Gori. He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the "Orthodox" Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest.

So, whilst we don't have any writing by him to express his inner thoughts as we do with Hitler, in his behaviour at least, he was not an atheist.

Mao is much tougher, although he did write some poems which refer to God, heaven and souls, so he can no more be claimed to be an atheist than he can a devout believer.

As far as I know, there hasn't been many (any?) persecutions of religious people by atheists, but there has certainly been many people persecuted because of differences of religion. Think Spanish inquisition, the holocaust, 9/11, Southern/Northern Ireland etc. Such things have given birth the slogans like this one:

While I basically agree with your point - the difference in religion is a cause of wars - I think some of your facts are a little questionable and convenient!

Stalin, as a 14 yr old catholic, didn't do much killing - as the head of the communist party, he did not agree to any belief in any religion besides communism - and killed 20 million people, give or take a few!

Hitler grew up as a Catholic, but again, as a head of a country, wasn't as religious. During his time in power, which was after writing his book, he disbanded church groups, banned crosses from schools and suggested pure SS officers leave the church and take part in a pagan rituals for ceremonies such as marriage etc. He understood the power of religion to control people and so wasn't going to speak out against them directly, but he wasn't religious himself!

Finally Mao was brought up a buddist, but rejected religion later in life as, like Hitler and Stalin, saw it as a controller of men.

Yes, religion is bad - I certainly don't agree with it - but its people who kill people - sometimes they use a book as the excuse, sometimes they write their own!

My favourite outlook on all this is from South Park, where, on getting to heaven, someone asks God, which religion got it right. The Mormons was his reply!

[boy willy]

Originally Posted by sort_it_oot_man

I'm with Bill Bailey on this one.

Oh I just shit missen.

Don't put that on here to frighten unsuspecting humanists

Your a very naughty boy

[Binnsy]

Originally Posted by Wiz

Think Spanish inquisition

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....

[Wiz]

Originally Posted by advancing age

Mind you - when is some 'genius' going to correct the spelling on the title to this thread....??! AA

Sorry, no geniuses about but I've done it just for you Apologies for the error, I'm a member of D.A.N. (National Association of Dyslexics).

[Rexb]

Me and my cousin T have been about for millions of years so this is just absolute TOSH !!!

[advancing age]

Originally Posted by Wiz

Sorry, no geniuses about but I've done it just for you Apologies for the error, I'm a member of D.A.N. (National Association of Dyslexics).

suffer from dco myself - like ocd BUT IN THE WRONG ORDER!!!!!!!

Back to the debate then chaps............. AA

[Binnsy]

Originally Posted by Wiz

I'm a member of D.A.N. (National Association of Dyslexics).

I didn't know that you gut your wucking murds fuddled Keith!