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Medicman
24-09-2004, 10:46
Yep that's me, Had a fasting blood test last week and got the results this morning. Cholesterol at 7.2 (which is high) and a blood glucose level of 6.4. :bugerit:

So basically my arteries are furring up and I'm a canditate in the runing for an MI (Myocardial Infarction or put plainly, a heart attack) and if that don't get me I'm also in the running to become a blody good diabetic.

Shite, I'm too young for all this, FFS I'm only 47 yrs old. :eek: I don't have a high fat diet and I don't snack on sweets and such like, although at 5' 9" and 13st 5lb, I am over weight and could do with dropping a stone and a half. Likewise my job which I enjoy is 90% inaction and 10% manic, which doesn't help, but there's no way I can change it.

The doc advises more exercise which sounds great but TBH I rarely get the chance. I've agreed to try and do a couple of half hour bike rides (up & down hill) a week but beyond that what's a guy supposed to do.:dunno:

"Ask not for whom the bell tolls..."

Signed: A thoroughly miserable, totally pi$$ed off and depressed Medicman. :B

Just John
24-09-2004, 10:50
my last cholesterol count was 6.5..and the doc put me on Simvastitin...:(

Jupiter
24-09-2004, 10:54
Calm down....

Light a cigarette and enjoy a few beers and relax.... :D

(Or do the sensible thing: calm down and try to think of ways to modify your general lifestyle and do a bit more exercise without going mad about it....maybe a bit of swimming, a brisk walk - go easy on the cycling if you're not used to it). Think the idea is moderation, rather than hell for leather.

Same for us all mate -

:beer:

Rogbear
24-09-2004, 10:57
I've just been told to cut out coffee & tea to lower my BP and it is working as I was drinking abour 12 cups of coffee a day!

I think because of this the lower sugar intake is also helping my weight which has now encouraged me to diet properly and do a bit more exercise. I now walk about 5 miles every day and have lost about 4 kilos during September.

My BP has also lowered by about 7% (I bought a sigmometer? and measure/record it daily).

Good luck mate, I am with you on this :)

mikeygasbag
24-09-2004, 11:17
What a bummer Mark.

I 'spose that's f*cked the pie and chips for lunch, the bar of choccy mid p.m. snack, and the double portion fish and chips for tea. You might even have to cut out the Chicken Tikka and Kheema naan for supper also. :rolleyes:

Seriously though mate, you have to do what you have to do, if that is what it takes to keep you healthy.

Me, too old and too fat to worry about it now.

Mike.

veefour
24-09-2004, 11:18
Bummer! Sorry to hear that m8. :bugerit:

Makes me wonder what mine would be if I had it tested. Living on my own I have what I suspect to be a shockingly bad diet (lots of nuke food and very little fruit&veg), I get too little exercise and I'm well overweight (6ft tall and over 18st). I've not seen a GP for over 3 years and in fact have still not registered with the one up the road but then I've only lived here 16 months :blush:

Come to think of it I'm surprised I'm still alive! That said I've had a back problem for about a month or so now which results in a pain down my right leg so I suppose I should get my life in order and get sorted.

It amazes me that some people lead really heathy lives and get cholesterol problems whilst others with shockingly bad ones get away with it. I friend of mine is 58 and is the fittest and most energetic person I've met (puts me to shame and I'm 19 years her junior), she's eats healthily and is vegitarian, never drinks, never smoked and was told she has a high cholesterol problem.

Anyway, good luck with the exercise. You could always get a Ducati - pushing it along the roadside on frequent occasions should keep you fit. :goofy:

jabberwocky
24-09-2004, 11:21
Would a low fat diet help? 18 months ago went to join a gym, failed the intial test due to high blood pressure 160/110 :eek: shit myself, doctor wanted to put me on medication, mrs Jabb had different ideas, we both stared eating low fat foods, there are plenty of books around for recipes and after doctor signing an opt out form for gym (20:bang: ) I joined the gym, got monitored every month and over 12 months down to normal :D

Still a bit over weight but a lot fitter.

Smiffy
24-09-2004, 11:43
When I moved to Bexhill 3 years ago had to go and register with a local doctor and because of my age it was suggested I had a cholesterol check carried out. My brother Richard had a "mild" heart attack 3 or 4 years ago, and another older brother had a stroke about 6 years ago, so a history of cardiovascular problems in the family.

Result of Cholesterol check?..........................7.4 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Doctor suggested that I try to lower it naturally by going on a "low fat" diet, which I did try to stick to for about 3 or 4 months. Pissed me off though going into my local Tesco buying crap that tasted of cardboard yet seeing 85 year old "tanks" of women with Anchor butter, double cream etc. in their shopping baskets.
Something wrong with this I thought.
Stayed on diet and over the course of the next six months didn't see my levels reduce at all.
I asked if I could go onto Statins, as my brother's cholesterol level when he had his heart attack was "only" 6.5. Bearing in mind mine was 7.4 I thought I would be prescribed these with no problem.
Basically I was told no chance. When I explained the situation with my brother I was met with the reply "well he has had a heart attack!!"
So I was not allowed to go onto Statins until I too had a heart attack?????:bang:
Carried on with the low fat diet for a while longer, but about 3 or 4 months later got a telephone call from my Doctor asking me to call in and see her.
She had decided to prescribe me Statins after all.
Guilty conscience?:dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

Have now been taking the tablets for about 18 months or so, had another fasting test carried out about 6 months ago and Cholesterol level had dropped to 5.2.

Rob

POSER
24-09-2004, 11:56
At one point two years ago I broke my left leg above the knee (femur) and went from a 'healthy' 15 stones to 17 stones, my cholestrol was over 6.00. :B I'm 5'10". BP was 160/100.

Once the leg mended I tried changing the old eating habits, it used to be takeaways, a couple of times a week, convenience foods and wine with every meal and the lager of course, anyway, did it for a bit but was diagnosed with a Gall Bladder which needed removing. :( This concentrated the mind a bit so I went on what I called proper food, fresh veg, good cuts of meat and decent fruit intake, and weekend drinking only :beer: , anyone whose had a Gall Bladder attack will know what I mean. :mad:
I already exercised ( walking the dog) so didn't change anything there. I lost just under three stones over the six months before the operation and have managed to keep it off (now 14st 3lbs ) and the Cholestrol is 5.1. BP 130/75.

I think if I did up the exercise and dieted I could get more off but I don't like doing either so I'm where I want to be at the moment. :yo: I have to admit to not eating eggs, butter, cheese and drink only skimmed milk in my coffee, but I got used to those prior to the op', and don't miss them at all now, more difficult without the threat of an operation looming and the docs calling me 'Grossly overweight'. Gits :B

Seemed to work, don't get hungry and really enjoy the food now, no diet involved. :t

Just my story, if any bit helps then I'm happy.

Good luck anyway M8 :yo:

Whippet
24-09-2004, 11:56
Is Garlic any good for lowering Cholesterol?

Medicman
24-09-2004, 11:57
Cheers Guys,

I wouldn't have minded quite so much but the reason I went to the Doc's in the first place was for a totally unrelated problem (mens problems) which turned out to be absolutely fine.

There's me going in the morning (SWMBO as escorting officer) expecting to be told I've got the big C, and feeling the relief wash over me as he says that my result was negative. Then he drops this bomb shell. Sometimes I wish I did smoke and drink to excess so that I'd have something decent and credible to give up!

Still, on the plus side, at least I didn't go giving SWMBO any last minute confessions last night,:rolleyes:

Smiffy
24-09-2004, 12:14
My story has a funny side too!

The twins obviously knew that something wasn't right with Dad, due to the conversations Sam and I had regarding low fat diets.
One evening Sam was cooking my tea and Mathew came out and asked what I was having.
"Mum's making me a nice chicken curry" says I.
"You're not having chips are you Dad?" say Mathew.
"No I'm not having chips" I replied, "although I don't have to give them up completely, I mustn't have too many of them"
"No" says Mathew, "cos if you have too many chips you will get.........."
He thought for a while as to what he was going to say and then came up with the classic "or you will get CHIP ACHE!!!"
:} :} :} :} :}



Don't you just love the innocence of kids?

mikeygasbag
24-09-2004, 12:15
Still, on the plus side, at least I didn't go giving SWMBO any last minute confessions last night,:rolleyes:

1. Phew, that's a relief. :eek:

2. Didn't know you had any such confession's to make. :dunno: Do tell.

Mike.

Jagger
24-09-2004, 12:29
Sorry to hear the news MM, please do what is necessary to sort it.

I personally am one of the most fortunate persons in this regard that I know of.

I have a family history of heart disease, uncle died at 37, father died at 47, grandad at a youthful 62 - all of heart disease. My brother(younger than me) had a bypass at 32. All of this is cholesterol related.

My brother really struggles to control his cholesterol. He's turned into a fitness fanatic since his operation and controls his diet very carefully but still struggles to control his lipid levels. I obviously had myself tested 10 years ago when my brother had his scare. Doctor informed me that I need not worry about my cholesterol, I did not inherit the genetic factor that causes the unnaturally high lipid levels.

I went for a checkup recently(very recently) and when I told them about my family history I immediately(well next morning) had a blood test checking glucose and lipids among others. All the tests came back normal, BP is normal.

So I am a very grateful bunny about this.

Look after yourselves.

Medicman
24-09-2004, 12:35
...Didn't know you had any such confession's to make. :dunno: Do tell...
Well, there was the time..... Yeah, Right... Not a chance matey.:t

The Medicman is not type of person that will :k and :gossip:.

Skids
24-09-2004, 13:16
MM, sorry to hear that, but even small changes in yr lifestyle will help. You say you don't eat fatty foods, but you probably need to look at exactly what you do eat, as it's coming from somewhere.

I'm lucky, SWMBO is veggie, so most of the gorgeous (I mean it) food we have at home is V healthy, which means on occasion I can indulge myself. An active lifestyle is also necessary, some form of sports on a regular basis, even if it only starts as a brisk walk instead of taking the car somewhere. You can then build up to something a little more strenuous. I'm sure yr aware of all this.

Try keeping a log of what you eat, and when, for about a week, and check out all the crap, processed, hi fat/sugar/cholesterol foods you really do eat - I was gobsmacked when I tried it.

The first step to a healthier lifestyle is the realisation that you need to do it. Good luck! :yo:

Winalot
24-09-2004, 16:51
Sorry to hear your plight. At least its something you can try and control ( although trying to control the amount of fry ups n chips can be difficult :D )

I was tested for cholesterol by the quacks as part of a general checkup which came back all normal, so he tested me again :rolleyes: Mainly because by any stretch of the imagination I am a fat git! again normal only problem is the BP which is now on medication.

Anyway I also got refered to the North West Surrey weight management course! Flippin heck I've got 12 weeks of supervised exercise and life style courses to attend. :h had my first session last Monday and was at the Gym on Wednesday night for the first time in over 7 years.

On the plus side I have a really nice fitness instructor - on the downside I can't hold my stomach in for that long :}

Needless to say I am sitting here with muscles aching and I have another session tonight :B

So if I come out of this alive I would suggest anyone can alter thier diet and get active. At least I should be able to fit into me leathers a bit easier by then end of it.

Badknee
24-09-2004, 19:58
At 16 stone the first thing the doctor wants to check is my blood pressure, it realy pisses him off as its always well within speck :} :}

VFRGirl
24-09-2004, 20:05
Hope you get well soon MM, just afew changes in your eating habbits will make the world of difference and maybe a few bikerides (pushbike that is :rolleyes: ) on a weekend will be perfect. By do it all gradually.................sneeky sneeky catchy monkey :k

The Gremlin
24-09-2004, 20:23
:gossip: wanna buy some "statin"............real cheap like

Sunshinemedic
24-09-2004, 21:23
Try this link (http://www.riskscore.org.uk/calculator.html) .

Just in case anybody's not too sure:

Systolic Blood Pressure: The upper value in blood pressure readings.
Most chloesterol values quoted in the UK are in mmol/l.
Myocardial Infarction=Heart attack
Left ventricular hypertrophy= Enlarged heart (answer no unless you've been told otherwise)

Medicman
24-09-2004, 21:37
Thanks SSM, tried the link and the result....


30.24 = Low Risk!

WTF, confused or what.:club:

Sunshinemedic
24-09-2004, 21:42
Thanks SSM, tried the link and the result....


30.24 = Low Risk!

WTF, confused or what.:club:

That's because a high cholesterol on its own doesn't mean you're at a huge risk. If you have a high cholesterol and already have heart problems, it's another matter.

Risks stack up though, so if you have a high blood pressure, smoke and have a high cholesterol, things don't look so good.

BrummyGit
28-09-2004, 20:02
That's because a high cholesterol on its own doesn't mean you're at a huge risk. If you have a high cholesterol and already have heart problems, it's another matter.

Risks stack up though, so if you have a high blood pressure, smoke and have a high cholesterol, things don't look so good.
Does having my BP controlled to about 130/80 by medication bring my risk down to the level of someone who naturally has a BP of 130/80?

Sunshinemedic
28-09-2004, 20:15
Does having my BP controlled to about 130/80 by medication bring my risk down to the level of someone who naturally has a BP of 130/80?

If the high blood pressure hasn't done any major damage yet, then lowering the blood pressure in the long term (and keeping it low) will reduce your risks down to near normal.

BrummyGit
28-09-2004, 22:56
If the high blood pressure hasn't done any major damage yet, then lowering the blood pressure in the long term (and keeping it low) will reduce your risks down to near normal.
Yippee :neenaw: Thanks Harold.

Only the Cholesterol, alcohol, poor diet and lack of exercise to sort out now :rolleyes:

MM - advice from the consulant cardiologist who sees me is that diet (even including those products 'proven to reduce cholesterol') has minimal effect and medication with statins is a very good solution as long as you take prescription doses and not the worthless 10mg that you can get over the counter.

Bodger
28-09-2004, 23:26
25.05 ....cholesterol 3.4 done about a week or 2 ago .....49 and just over 16 stone ....i'm well confused , feels like i should eat MORE shite

Medicman
29-09-2004, 09:48
MM - advice from the consulant cardiologist who sees me is that diet (even including those products 'proven to reduce cholesterol') has minimal effect and medication with statins is a very good solution as long as you take prescription doses and not the worthless 10mg that you can get over the counter.
I'm with you on this one BG, since going to the Doc's I've gone over my whole diet and life style with a fine tooth comb and apart from being something of a lazy git (harsh, but true), regular exercise is about the only thing, aside from perscribed medication, that might make a significant difference.

Harold, where can I get some exercise in a pill? :rolleyes:

eminen
29-09-2004, 09:54
B.P 110/80
Weight 12.7 stones
Cholesteral 5.2
Age 42
Fitness (able to swim 30 mtrs underwater)

RESULT: Massive heart attack.

That was 12 years ago and i am still around.

Today:
B.P 110/80
Weight 11.9 stones
Cholesteral 2.8
Age 54
Fitness: Can walk the dog for 5 miles in 80 mins without getting out of breath.

Best advice : Get out on the bike as much as possible to alleviate all the stress of worrying about B.P, Cholesteral, weight, and fitness.
eminen

BrummyGit
29-09-2004, 10:47
Eminem how did you get your cholesterol down, I'm at 5.4 currently?

eminen
29-09-2004, 15:01
After having my heart attack the good ol N.H take good care of you. As has already mean mentioned you have to have a M.I. before you can be prescribed medication (although I think they are talking about across the counter medication in the near future) anyway I am being prescribed "Atorvastatins" at the moment which is cholesteral lowering drug, along side various other drugs to keep my blood pressure and strain on my heart down.
In order to keep your "Lipids" low you should keep your saturated fats intake down and excercise more.
L.D.L ( low density lipiproteins) are the bad one's and a low fat diet will help reduce these.

H.D.L (high density lipiproteins) are the good ones and can be elevated by increasing your exercise regime.

There's really too much information about this subject to go into this fully, and I could go on for ever. I expect Medicman could tell you a lot more.
eminen

eminen
29-09-2004, 15:05
Sorry I Meant "Sunshinemedic" (so many medics about).
eminen

BrummyGit
29-09-2004, 19:49
Eminem, thanks for the info. The over the counter statins are now available, but only in 10mg doses. Luckily for me my cardiologist is very positive about their benefits so I'll be getting them prescribed due to my family history, hypertension and slightly raised cholesterol. :)

fatladsbro
30-09-2004, 11:51
Mine is almost double figures, has been for years. When I first found out I started to take more exercise, eat the right food, stop smoking, less caffeine etc. I soon packed that lot in, just eat /drink / smoke in moderation and I enjoy myself. I was probably doing myself more harm getting stressed out about the next blood test that it had to go. :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Medicman
12-10-2005, 09:36
For those that may be interested....

Just got back from the doc's and I'm now scoring 6.6 on the old cholesteral chart and with a slight sustainable change in diet and a little more exercise (early morning swim twice a week) coupled with the fact that I've lost half a stone and I still don't smoke etc, the docs happy not to put me on perscribed statins which I'm very pleased about.

He refered to some chart in the back of his BMF book and says I'm in the green. YES! :yo:

Says that if I want to get it down even lower I can always buy some Statins over the counter at the chemists but that would have to be purely my decision.

I shan't bother.

The Robster
12-10-2005, 09:59
Just got back from the doc's and I'm now scoring 6.6 on the old cholesteral chart and with a slight sustainable change in diet and a little more exercise (early morning swim twice a week) coupled with the fact that I've lost half a stone and I still don't smoke etc, the docs happy not to put me on perscribed statins which I'm very pleased about.



Yep, I think too many people are to ready to "pop a pill" instead of making changes to lifestyle or diet. When I was told my BP was high I made an instant decision to get it down myself rather than rely on drugs. Hence, I've been on a low fat diet, BP is coming down and I've dropped a stone in weight since the start of August :) . Coupled with getting more exercise I feel so much better for it.

Medicman
12-10-2005, 23:01
Yep, I think too many people are to ready to "pop a pill" instead of making changes to lifestyle or diet. When I was told my BP was high I made an instant decision to get it down myself rather than rely on drugs. Hence, I've been on a low fat diet, BP is coming down and I've dropped a stone in weight since the start of August :) . Coupled with getting more exercise I feel so much better for it.
Well done you. Have a cigar! Oops. :rolleyes: :D

DrKen
12-10-2005, 23:21
After having my heart attack the good ol N.H take good care of you. As has already mean mentioned you have to have a M.I. before you can be prescribed medication

This is what we scientists call 'bollocks' . I was diagnosed with angina/hypertension and raised cholesterol about 5 yrs ago and immediately prescribed a whole bunch of drugs, no doubt at vast cost to the NHS. No heart attacks required.

blowpipe
12-10-2005, 23:29
Hence, I've been on a low fat diet, BP is coming down and I've dropped a stone in weight since the start of August :) . Coupled with getting more exercise I feel so much better for it.

Hasn't done much much for your observation. I spoted the amber headlamps on my offside as I was sitting in the cage on West Hill on Tuesday evening.

Stuck my hand out of the window to give a helloooo, only to have it nearly removed by your left arse as you lardied on by.

Way to go :} :f :goofy:

fatladsbro
13-10-2005, 00:02
Wake Up Call, 7.2 Cholesterol Alarm!!!

Small fry! Mine was 9.6 :eek: :eek: :eek: Dads had two heart attacks, mums got angina. Panick stations!!!

Cut all fried food out, no biccies :B Started jogging.

Don't know what it is now, and I don't care anymore. You can spend too much time worrying about stuff like that. Just watch my weight now as that is a good indicator of what MY state of health. Doesn't work for everyone though

She
13-10-2005, 06:37
mines 7.6 and they sent me leaflets on losing weight :bang: so if I follow their advice I'll be a stick insect.

Think mine is hereditry (sp) as both parents have high cholestrol. I eat fairly sensibly and I'm fairly active, though I don't work out or anything too strenuous. Did worry alot about it at first but now I'm trying not to and to continue a sensible diet.

When your times up it's up


jill

Muppet
13-10-2005, 06:55
I had mine tested back in February and it was 7.5 - doc advised change diet etc etc. Did that, cut out almost all red meat, much less cheese (that was hard), more veg etc. Must admit I don't exercise much but I don't sit down behind a shop counter all day any more so I'm more active.

Had it re-tested again a couple of weeks ago......it's 7.5 :bang: :bang: :bang:

Still eating sensibly and I'll try and do a bit of exercise but I wish I knew what it was before when I was eating all kinds of crap and doing absolutely nothing. And what should it be anyway? :dunno:

chilly
13-10-2005, 07:13
And what should it be anyway? :dunno:

I was told by the nurse when I had blood test on Monday that it should be 5.6 or lower. I was 6.9, I get my results today
:eek:

Medicman
13-10-2005, 08:21
Think mine is hereditry (sp) as both parents have high cholestrol. I eat fairly sensibly and I'm fairly active, though I don't work out or anything too strenuous. Did worry alot about it at first but now I'm trying not to and to continue a sensible diet.

jillI agree that parentage has a lot to do with it, when my dad was just two years older than I am now he was grossly over weight and had angina and had already had one heart attack. Mind you the fact that hes smoked continuously from my first memories and so does my mum didn't help.

OK, so diet must play a part, 'garbage in = garbage out' but I personally feel that regular exercise is the main key to it all. I'm not talking going to the gym every day for a strenuous work out and I've never subscribed to the 'No pain, No gain' mentality.
For me, PAIN = OUCH! that hurts! DON'T :t

No I'm just talking about a little more effort like taking the esculator instead of the lift# I'm kidding, I meant stairs. Walking to the corner shop rather than taking the car, etc. Every little helps and a little of what you fancy does you good.

Jill, you look great to me, just as you are and I say that as a conersur of females the world over.:blind: :} :k


Robster, have a banana. :lick:

Whippet
13-10-2005, 08:50
And what should it be anyway? :dunno:

- Above 6 = high
- 5.5 average for men.
- Government target = 5

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/he.asp?articleID=100

eminen
14-10-2005, 08:24
Dr Ken
This is what we scientists call 'bollocks' . I was diagnosed with angina/hypertension and raised cholesterol about 5 yrs ago and immediately prescribed a whole bunch of drugs, no doubt at vast cost to the NHS. No heart attacks required.

I had my heart attack back in '92, so things may have changed since then.
Anyway who knows if you might have had a heart attack if you had'nt been prescribed medication.

eminen